in fact, if i were president, i would use the 14th amendment which says that the -- that of the united states will always be paid. >> you would do it. you wouldn't wait? >> i would do it, right. >> many strategies, go do it. some republicans with a clear split there of what to do regarding a shutdown or not. your perspective on where things stand, i know that we have heard washington should not draw lines in the sand but the president has on certain issues including as you heard what molly pointed out. >> well, surprise-surprise. we are not headed to a good place. >> no. why, why? why do you think that is at this point? >> the problem is you have a republican party right now fractured and weakened and they need to draw a line from their perspective in order to force the president to compromise on spending. the problem is they're playing russian roulette with the american people once again. the idea of shutting down the government, i can tell you this without a doubt, they'll lose the battle. the american people will turn on them. at the end of the day what the american people want in a